On the American Gold Standard: Winners and Losers
PMG: You say that you favor a gold standard, even though it is enforced by the U.S. government. SMG: I do. PMG: We no longer have a gold standard. SMG: Correct. PMG: We have not had one since 1933. SMG: Since 1971. PMG: But Americans could not legally own gold from 1933 to 1975. SMG: That did not matter. Foreign central banks and governments could buy gold from the U.S. Treasury for $35 per ounce. PMG: Until they actually tried. SMG: When they tried to buy gold, beginning in 1958, they got delivery. PMG: But Lyndon Johnson balked in 1968. After the British devalued the pound, demand for gold rose. Its price rose. Central bankers set up a two-tier gold market. SMG: Correct. They sold gold to each other at $35 an ounce, but sold it for more to the public. PMG: That was a tip-off that the U.S. was running out of gold. SMG: Then Nixon broke the 1944 Bretton Woods agreement on August 15, 1971. No more gold for sale. That ended the gold standard. PMG: That was what Roosevelt did to Americans in 1933. SMG: But the gold standard still restrained the creation of money. PMG: Not in World War II, it didn't. Not in post-War America. Not under Lyndon Johnson' guns and butter economy. SMG: I said "restrained." I did not say "stabilized." PMG: Isn't the government-enforced gold standard the same story everywhere? Isn't it a series of restrictions on the original promise to redeem paper money for a fixed supply of gold? SMG: It is all right to break contract with the public. It is not all right to break contract with central banks. PMG: How do you figure? SMG: Private central banks represent political sovereignty. PMG: Even though they are privately owned. SMG: Yes. PMG: What is political sovereignty? SMG: The widely accepted right of the government to stick a gun in your belly and say, "Fork over your money." PMG: Even when the money is gold. SMG: Especially when the money is gold. PMG: That sounds like the phrase, "All power grows out of the barrel of a gun." SMG: Yes, it does. What a catchy phase! PMG: You've never heard it before. SMG: Not that I recall. PMG: Isn't the main benefit of a gold standard the reduction of the power of government? SMG: Yes. PMG: Then how does a gold standard take away the government's gun? SMG: It doesn't. It just pressures the government to point the gun elsewhere. PMG: Where? SMG: At central banks. PMG: Which hold the gold for their governments. SMG: Yes. PMG: So that governments cannot spend it. SMG: Yes. PMG: So the public won't get familiar with gold coins. SMG: Yes. PMG: Which reduces pressure on central banks. SMG: Yes. PMG: So, you think it's OK for central banks to put pressure on central banks, but not the public. SMG: Yes. PMG: Why is that? SMG: Because central bankers attended the best universities. They have training in scientific economics. PMG: You regard the public as ill-informed. SMG: Yes. PMG: Even about their own self-interest. SMG: Their self-interest is not the nation's self-interest. PMG: What is the nation's self-interest? SMG: To provide stable prices and high employment. That's what the Employment Act of 1946 says. PMG: But central banks have not supplied stable prices. SMG: Not so far. But they are working on it. PMG: Since 1914. SMG: Yes. PMG: So, all we need to do is go back to the gold standard of August 14, 1971. SMG: Yes. PMG: But with the public's right to own gold. SMG: I suppose so. It's not important. PMG: What is important? SMG: The right of central banks to buy gold from each other at a fixed price. PMG: What price? SMG: I don't know. That is for economists at the central bank to determine. PMG: Which central bank? SMG: The international one. PMG: What one is that? SMG: The one that has not been set up yet. They are working on it. PMG: For how long? SMG: Since at least the early 1970's. PMG: But they have not got it yet. SMG: No. PMG: That bank will set the price of gold. SMG: Yes. PMG: Will it pay this price to anyone who wants to sell it gold? SMG: Yes. PMG: Including gold mines. SMG: Yes. PMG: Will it sell gold at this price? SMG: Only to national central banks. PMG: So, the gold flows into the central banks, but it does not flow out. SMG: Correct. PMG: So, the central banks will control the price of gold. SMG: For as long as the official price is above the market price. PMG: What is to keep central banks from raising the price? SMG: Only the supply of money. PMG: But they can create money to buy the gold. SMG: Yes. PMG: Then they can buy up the world's gold. SMG: In theory, yes. But they won't. PMG: Why not? SMG: This would raise the price of gold. That would break the agreement. PMG: But they can change the agreement. SMG: Legally, yes. PMG: So they can buy up more gold. SMG: Yes. PMG: And store it at their expense. SMG: Yes. PMG: Then of what possible use is all that stored gold? SMG: It keeps it away from the public. PMG: Who might use gold in trade. SMG: Yes. PMG: And get familiar with gold coins. SMG: Yes. PMG: As people were before 1914. SMG: Yes. PMG: Then the primary purpose of the Bretton Woods gold standard from 1944 to 1971 was to keep gold coins away from the public. SMG: Yes. PMG: Which reduced pressure on central bankers to stabilize the money supply. SMG: Yes. PMG: Do you think that this lack of pressure on central banks to stabilize money led to the universal rise of prices under the Bretton Woods gold standard? SMG: No. PMG: Then what did cause the rise in prices? SMG: Economists at central banks are studying this topic very carefully. PMG: What have they decided? SMG: That there needs to be further study. PMG: Why wouldn't a gold coin standard work? SMG: Because there is not enough gold. PMG: To do what? SMG: To facilitate trade. PMG: But isn't trade conducted on the basis of supply and demand? SMG: Yes. PMG: So, there is a supply of gold, and demand by individuals to obtain gold. SMG: Yes. PMG: The supply of gold is close to constant. New gold from mines in a year is a tiny fraction of the world's gold supply. SMG: True. PMG: Then why can't prices in gold adjust to the supply of gold? SMG: You mean more goods chasing a fixed supply of gold. PMG: Yes. SMG: But that would lead to falling prices. PMG: Yes. SMG: But that's deflationary. PMG: Just like falling computer prices are deflationary. SMG: That would create a depression. PMG: Do falling computer prices create a depression? SMG: No. But falling prices for everything else would. PMG: Why? SMG: Because Milton Friedman taught that. PMG: True. SMG: And so did Irving Fisher before him. PMG: True. SMG: So, that settles it. PMG: Settles what? SMG: That falling prices are bad. PMG: But Fisher and Friedman opposed the gold standard. SMG: Yes. PMG: But you want a gold standard. SMG: A state-enforced gold standard. PMG: Where central banks create fiat money to buy gold. SMG: Yes. PMG: And then they refuse to sell gold. SMG: Yes. PMG: But they lease gold at half of a percent interest per year. SMG: That is not the same as selling gold. PMG: But they turn over the gold to private banks, called bullion banks. SMG: Yes. PMG: And these banks sell the leased gold. SMG: Yes, they do. PMG: And this isn't selling a nation's gold? SMG: No, it isn't. PMG: But the gold is gone. SMG: Yes, but the bullion banks have given central banks IOU's for the gold. PMG: But the gold is gone. It's in jewelry in India. It's part of some daughter's dowry. SMG: But the IOU's are as good as gold. PMG: Has any central bank demanded the return of its gold? SMG: Not as far as any government knows. PMG: But if they did, wouldn't the price of gold soar? SMG: To the moon. That's why they won't demand payment in gold. They will roll over the loans. PMG: Just as the Federal government does with its debt. SMG: Exactly. PMG: So, the present system is an IOU gold standard. SMG: Yes. PMG: The bullion banks gave IOU's to the central banks. SMG: Yes. PMG: The central banks gave IOU's to their governments. SMG: Yes. PNG: Then the present system is based on IOU's to gold. SMG: Yes. PMG: But you say it's not a gold standard. SMG: Not since 1971. PMG: But for all we know, all the gold belongs to Indians. SMG: For all we know, yes. PMG: And if the central banks demanded payment from the bullion banks, the price of gold would soar. SMG: Yes. PMG: I can see what would happen. Slumdog millionaires. SMG: I blame Nixon. PMG: I blame Woodrow Wilson. SMG: It's clear to me who won. PMG: Who? SMG: William Jennings Bryan. PMG: It was the only thing he ever won. SMG: But it was a biggie. March 24, 2009
Gary North [send him mail] is the author of Mises on Money. Visit http://www.garynorth.com. He is also the author of a free 20-volume series, An Economic Commentary on the Bible.
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